lunedì 15 febbraio 2010

John Linehan "A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have."

Pop Emil
and even to take away things that you only think you have!

John Linehan
Pop, Under US Constitution as it stands still today rights cannot be taken "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." So rights cannot be taken by politicians without a constitution amendment.

However, big Government will take your money because of one constitutional amendment on 97 years ago in our 234 year history... originally from 1776 to 1913 in USA income taxes were not allowed under the US Constitution. In 1913 they were introduced by Constitutional Amendment with top rate of 7% on the wealthiest and "never to exceed 10%".

To give a contemporary perspective taxes recently reached a peak in 1961 of 91% before John F Kennedy. Kennedy put in legislation to cut them to 70% which increased growth -- and tax revenues also. It was not until Regan's cuts to 28% MAXIMUM RATE in 1982 of that we approached the return to sensibility -- which fueled 25% of unprecedented growth that doubled the US economy from 1982 to 2007....

The point is that asking for a big government is a formula to clean out your wallet and whether it is a JFK Democrat or a Reagan Republical anyone in government can fix this so we don't head back to 90% tax which would be taking everything we have and killing our economy.

Pop Emil
What about what your government took to non US citisens like iraqi civillians lives, afgani and pakistanmi innnocnets lives, just to test their military technology on somebody?

They lied to international comunity, invented terrorists where they were not (Bin Laden is a CIA emploee, amongst othes) killed americans using foreign hand so they can have a war reason, etc, and all this on your money.

But that is just fine tou you, ain't that?

Steve Kunzweiler
Pop if thats what you really believe then you too must support us here who want smaller govt. and less taxation.

Pop Emil
I am doing it Steve, here in Europe, working on the new Constitution to limit tax to 10% on profit and salaries, and other limitations for the big dudes in power.
All you have to do in the US is to eliminate the amendament that alowed government to raise taxes over the 10% originally and constitutionally agreed.

You think you can do that?

Than you can, go kick some ass!

Steve Kunzweiler
Yes I do. We have started voting the socialists out of office. Most of the country is scared to death of big government. Tide is turning.

Nils Morgan
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings. The inherent vice of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries. Some regard private enterprise as if it were a predatory tiger to be shot. Others look upon it as a cow to be milked. Few realize it for what it is - the horse that pulls the whole cart." Winston Churchill

John Linehan
I think it is interesting and ironic that the countries that were part of and nearest to the former Soviet Union have be the leading adopters of an non-redistributive taxation system, namely Flat tax. Pop is from Romania where the Flat tax rate is 16%... (note Albania, Bulgaria and several other countries have 10%)... under this type of systems ... recession pass a lot faster because there is more incentive to invest. The rich still pay more taxes... but not at an increasing rate that discourages them to invest out of recession.

Pop Emil
We lived tha bad experience for 50 years and learned a lesson; Comunism is dangerous, so it is capitalism where the state overtaxes the people (comunists were taxing up to 90% too) and so it is the fascism.

What we really need and don't have is Liberalism, taxes less than 10% on profit, no hidden taxes such as VAT or sales tax or gas tax, or tax on owning a car/airplane/TV/computer, or other idiot taxes.
There is a new international party aiming towards that, I didn't joined them yet, but I am giving a thought:

The Pirates party!

Yap, the pirates were the first form of real democracy after the middle eve (and even during )
Therefore they copied the good part of the pirates philosophy.
Google for them, it might be your chance to get back to be a nation, not a mere country!

All taken from a Facebook debate we had! I hope you liked it.

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